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 Post subject: COACHBUILD THIS! - Cadillac DTS
PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:24 pm 
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The case I need input for concerns Cadillac.
The current offerings from Cadillac fail to live up to any of the grandeur, stature and style Cadillac had in the time of the great V12 and V16 models, which were clothed by coachbuilders like Fleetwood, Fisher, Van den Plas, Saoutchik, Reinbolt & Christé, Inskip and many more. Back in the days Cadillac was on par with the great marques like Maybach, Mercedes, Horch, Delage, Delahaye and many more, but today there only is the DTS, which is, in my opinion, not a very good looking car and it certainly doesn't sufficiently respect and reflect Cadillac's rich past.

Now, what if I were to design a new body and interior for the top Cadillac? Which styling elements that are typical of the Great Cadillacs from the past would you like to see in the future design? Which details may not be missed and how, according to you, should the old and true Cadillac DNA be developed and incorporated into a new coachbuilt Caddy?

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 Post subject: Re: Michiel van den Brink
PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:33 pm 
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See below some pictures of the Cadillac DTS to illustrate the starting point.


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 Post subject: Re: Michiel van den Brink
PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:03 pm 
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The current models CTS, CTS Coupe and STS are more or less turned into Muscle Cars instead of Luxury sedans and the BLS (now scrapped out of the brochure) was no more than a rebodied Saab 9-3...

There once was this magnificent Cadillac Sixteen Concept car... Too bad GM did not proceed with this one... This car would have made a perfect base for a contemporary coachbuild.
With the DTS we have to settle with a V8 and with this styling exercise the difficulties lie with the proportions of the chassis. The nose, especially the space between the front wheels and the doors, is very short, making it very difficult to recreate the imposing front ends like the old Eldorados, Fleetwoods and V16s.


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 Post subject: Re: Michiel van den Brink
PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:51 pm 
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I'm not sure to have understood what do you want to do...
Do you want to design a coachbuild version of Cadillac DTS? or a restyled one?
I'm not good in Cadillac history, but I like car design, so I'd like to contribute. ;)
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 Post subject: Re: Michiel van den Brink
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Iluvatar wrote:
Do you want to design a coachbuild version of Cadillac DTS? or a restyled one?

A coachbuilt Cadillac DTS.

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 Post subject: Re: Michiel van den Brink
PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:48 pm 
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Hi Michiel,
I don't want to steal your work, but your project inspired me the creation of a coachbuilt DTS, which I have sketched today (during the chemistry lesson... :oops: ).
Obvoiusly my drawings are a hobby, and I haven't a good preparation in car design, but I like to do it...
I've posted it in my Member thread (http://www.coachbuild.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=4649&p=16755&sid=4ac49f31e23e840d8f9e476febcd6eb8&sid=4ac49f31e23e840d8f9e476febcd6eb8#p16755), cause this is your own section, and it wait for your DTS. ;)
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 Post subject: Re: COACHBUILD THIS! - Cadillac DTS
PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:40 pm 
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The DTS leaves much to be desired. It needs at least a foot in length for starters, and more interior room all over. The last two generations of the DTS are surprisingly quite uncomfortable. It's supposed to be a big luxurious American sedan...but they only got the sedan part right.


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 Post subject: Re: Michiel van den Brink
PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:21 am 
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Michiel Mobiel wrote:
There once was this magnificent Cadillac Sixteen Concept car... Too bad GM did not proceed with this one... This car would have made a perfect base for a contemporary coachbuild.


Absolutely agree Michiel, a golden opportunity to re-establish the position of the brand, but instead they fall back on ugly SUV's and stumpy sedans. Sigh.


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 Post subject: Re: COACHBUILD THIS! - Cadillac DTS
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:04 am 
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The only thing a new Cadillac has in common with a classic coach built Cadillac is the name. Back in the 1940s, a Cadillac may have had the highest level of quality in the world, but in the 1950s GM management decided it would be more profitable to make all GM cars somewhat alike. By the 1980s this trend had progressed to the point where the new Cadillac Cimmaron was just the Cadillac version of the J-Car. Essentially it was the same car as the Chevy cavalier, pontiac J 2000, Oldsmobile Firenza, Buick Skyhawk, or the versions that carried the Vauxhall and Holden badges. If viewed from the side at a distance, a cimmaron looked just like a cavalier. Of course, up close you could see the difference. The Caddy had a luggage rack on the trunk lid and a price on the window sticker that was twice as high. At the time I didn't expect they would be able to sell any of them, and thought if they wanted to make a smaller Cadillac, by badge engineering, they should try importing one of the more luxurious Opels and putting Cadillac names on those.
Before the war, a car's chassis was made, and the coachbuilder finished the job, by making the body. Nowadays, a modern car has a unibody that is both the chassis and body. This is carefuly engineered to absorb the impact in a crash and protect the passengers.
Therefore it is impossible to make any coachbuilt real car, nowadays.
Well you could make one to display at car shows, but if you wanted to sell it to a motorist, you would need to crash test it first. If the dummies survived, the D.O.T. would let you build a replica and sell that.
In the 21st century, a coach built car has become a sculpture one can drive out of the museum.


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