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 Post subject: Spohn Rolls-Royce 20/25 ?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:26 am 
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I found this picture in a 1976 Flying Lady magazine.
There is no reference to a Spohn bodied 20/25 in Tom Clarke's book.
Looks like a Dutch registration number.
Any thoughts?


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 Post subject: Re: Spohn Rolls-Royce 20/25 ?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:12 pm 
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I think it is a Phantom II, for J.A.G. Sandberg, and it has been shown in these pages as such 'mystery car':
"If it helps: the registration plate is Dutch, pre-1952....J.A.G. Sandberg second Phantom II, 70PY? 1933 Phantom II Continental. As of yet unidentified who the coachbuilder was, and he did order another Phantom with German body later on..Can Boybentley have a look at the chassis card, please?"


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 Post subject: Re: Spohn Rolls-Royce 20/25 ?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:31 pm 
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The chassis card for #70PY states that the body was to be a 4-seater Cabriolet by a Dutch maker, unfortunately no name mentioned. It does mention 2 side mounted sparewheels and extra wiring for foglamps as well as a louvred bonnet sloped at an angle of 11 degrees as in these pictures.


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 Post subject: Re: Spohn Rolls-Royce 20/25 ?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:46 pm 
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Somehow is sems to tie in except for the Dutch coachbuilder, but in view of Sandberg also having his Phantom III coachbuild in Germany (Voll & Ruhrbeck), and having a German spouse...


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 Post subject: Re: Spohn Rolls-Royce 20/25 ?
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 5:34 pm 
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I can now cnfirm that this car was owned by Jhr. Sandberg. See the numberplate on this picture, showing his cars circa 1919 on the Stolkweg in the Hague!


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 Post subject: Re: Spohn Rolls-Royce 20/25 ?
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 6:35 pm 
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robgeelen wrote:
I can now cnfirm that this car was owned by Jhr. Sandberg. See the numberplate on this picture, showing his cars circa 1919 on the Stolkweg in the Hague!

Perfect Rob!. So, if we use Occam's razor, just for mental stability purpose, we can conclude that is really 70PY. When it comes to the coachbuilder, which would the premises be?. It seems german, so Spohn could do. At one moment somebody said Spohn for some reason, and I think it's perfectly possible. Schutter & Van Bakel or Van Rijswick, to mention maybe the most important in Holland, doesn't seem to match. What other dutch cb would be? Perhaps Bronkhorst? What's your guessing?

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 Post subject: Re: Spohn Rolls-Royce 20/25 ?
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 8:48 pm 
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Sandberg married a German lady and his Phantom III (next car)was by Voll & Ruhrbeck. Before he had cars with English and Dutch coachwork. If Dutch, I think Van Rijswijk is the most likely option, simply because they are closer to where Sandberg lived, and because he had used them again. I find Spohn quite unlikely. They were down south in Germany, and a Berlin coachbuilder would have been much more likely. But I bet on Van Rijswijk...


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 Post subject: Re: Spohn Rolls-Royce 20/25 ?
PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 12:12 am 
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robgeelen wrote:
Sandberg married a German lady and his Phantom III (next car)was by Voll & Ruhrbeck. Before he had cars with English and Dutch coachwork. If Dutch, I think Van Rijswijk is the most likely option, simply because they are closer to where Sandberg lived, and because he had used them again. I find Spohn quite unlikely. They were down south in Germany, and a Berlin coachbuilder would have been much more likely. But I bet on Van Rijswijk...

Johannes Sandberg was a good customer for RR. Seven Silver Ghosts (1955 Van Rijswick limousine; 42TW Herman torpedo; 29AE Pennock limo; 71YE Hooper tourer; 34JG, 65JG and 15EU - coachbuilders unknown but last two tourers), two Phantom II (19GY Van Rijswick cabriolet de ville, 70PY cabriolet), Phantom III 3BT187 (Voll und Ruhrbeck cabriolet) and Wraith WHC65 (Park Ward saloon with division).
So he used a number of different coachbuilders, Dutch, English, Belgian, German.
The picture showing the Silver Ghost limousine must be chassis 1955.


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 Post subject: Re: Spohn Rolls-Royce 20/25 ?
PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 12:26 am 
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And note that registration H4048 from the Silver Ghost pictured is also on the 1930s drophead coupe....


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 Post subject: Re: Spohn Rolls-Royce 20/25 ?
PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 12:32 am 
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Err, that was the point of my posting of 6.34 hrs, Steve.. ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Spohn Rolls-Royce 20/25 ?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:01 pm 
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Andre Blaize in his new book on Phantom II Continentals states the body of 70PY as being by Van Rijswijk.


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