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 Post subject: Saoutchik Duesenberg J
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:10 pm 
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One of two J's with Saoutchik coachwork, J-307-2324.


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Duesenberg J
PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:06 am 
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anton wrote:
One of two J's with Saoutchik coachwork, J-307-2324.


What happened to this car?

I cannot believe so many magnificent cars, acknowledged as such at the time, ended up in a crusher!


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Duesenberg J
PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:34 am 
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anton wrote:
One of two J's with Saoutchik coachwork, J-307-2324.

Thanks Anton. :good: Do you know which number would be the other one?


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Duesenberg J
PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:34 pm 
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Hektor wrote:
anton wrote:
One of two J's with Saoutchik coachwork, J-307-2324.


What happened to this car?

I cannot believe so many magnificent cars, acknowledged as such at the time, ended up in a crusher!


Unfortunately, dropping high-explosive ordnance did not do a lot for the survival chances of many things from pre-war Europe.

I have long been puzzled by what appears to be a modification to the top of the radiator shell on this Duesenberg. It is very hard to make it out - does anyone have any information, or is it just a strange illusion.

Clive.


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Duesenberg J
PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:10 pm 
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For the second car no photos and codes could be found - we only know, in new this Berline-J goes to Poland ...,

... FWo ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Duesenberg J
PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:09 pm 
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All i can find is this second picture.


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Duesenberg J
PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:20 pm 
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Yes, it is the same car, without the tool-/luggage-box ...,

FWo ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Duesenberg J
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:00 pm 
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another view


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Duesenberg J
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:27 pm 
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The other Saoutchik Duesenberg J, a four light Victoria, went to Sweden and disappeared without a trace. But who knows more? (The Duesenberg is on the right, folks..) (and see Figoni, further on..


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Duesenberg J
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:14 pm 
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This is J-263, here with helmet mudguards. The car was owned by Erik Akerlund and scrapped.
I thought this was a Figoni?


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Duesenberg J
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:33 pm 
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Anton, you are quite right, even more so, 'my' pic is already in there, so I will remove it, but yours is not, so perhaps it should go there? :oops:


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Duesenberg J
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:38 pm 
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robgeelen wrote:
Anton, you are quite right, even more so, 'my' pic is already in there, so I will remove it, but yours is not, so perhaps it should go there? :oops:

Interesting one this: I have also had this one down as Figoni, BUT, those helmet wings are very similar on the two bodies, are they not? Perhaps the esteemed Mr Geelen's first instinct was right and it is time for a re-appraisal.

Clive.


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Duesenberg J
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:24 pm 
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That's interesting, i had never noticed that!
Yet quite all Duesenberg-experts i know of don't know anything about the second Saoutchik Duesy, and J-263 is relatively well documented.


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Duesenberg J
PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:37 pm 
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I would go for saoutchik is more likely than Figoni-body on this Duesy. Interesting of a non-kreuger Duesenberg in Sweden, although I'm not sure whether Åkerlunds Duesenberg may have been owned by Torsten or Ivar Kreuger before.

Erik Åkerlund made his fortune in publishing business,that he sold to the Bonnier company, and then he started a package company with the Rausign brothers, the tetra-pak bros.

At this time there was merely a handful of people here that could afford such ultra luxury cars as Duesenbergs, so they are easily counted.


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Duesenberg J
PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:18 pm 
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anton wrote:
One of two J's with Saoutchik coachwork, J-307-2324.

Model J Duesenberg 2324, Saoutchik Convertible Towncar
Engine No.: J-307
First Coachbuilder: Saoutchik
First Body Style: Convertible Towncar
Wheelbase: Long
Current Coachbuilder:
Current Body Style:
Original Owner: E. Virgil Neal, Nice & Paris


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Duesenberg J
PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:11 am 
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anton wrote:
All i can find is this second picture.

A little better


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