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 Post subject: Saoutchik Bucciali
PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:13 pm 
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Bucciali TAV12 Berline Saoutchik 1931


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 Post subject: Re: Bucciali TAV12 Berline Saoutchik 1931
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:05 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Bucciali TAV12 Berline Saoutchik 1931
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:45 am 
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The chassis-price/1931 was 130.000;--aFF ---> 22.500;--RM ---> 241.400;--€/2009 ;
the Saoutchik-work was add. 85.630;--aFF ---> 14.820;--RM ---> 159.000;--€/2009 ;
in total 215.630;--aFF ---> 37.320;--RM ---> 400.400;--€/2009.
A Maybach DS7-Zepelin was chassis-23,0TRM, as Pullman-Lim in total 30,0TRM.
A RR Phantom.II with Touring-Saloon-body was about 2.425;--GBP ---> 41.200;--RM.

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 Post subject: Re: Bucciali TAV12 Berline Saoutchik 1931
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:53 am 
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From the back and inside and with the hood open


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 Post subject: Re: Bucciali TAV12 Berline Saoutchik 1931
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:36 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Bucciali TAV12 Berline Saoutchik 1931
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:08 pm 
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Well, another one. Cabriolet.


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Bucciali
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:08 pm 
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The body on the TAV8 started life on a Mercedes-Benz 36/220 or 38/250 and was fitted in comparatively recent times. Does anyone know which particular chassis it came from? Presumably it was butchered to make yet another ersatz SSK. It would be useful to know to help in tracing all of the Saoutchik Mercedes-Benz.

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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Bucciali
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:42 pm 
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Only shot I have of this car is from the motor show, but it shpws little of the original body. I will have to look at my Bucciali book...


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Bucciali
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:52 pm 
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Both cars in that Salon photograph have Labourdette bodies. I'm not sure that I have seen that picture before - I shall also have to look in the Huet book!


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Bucciali
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:48 pm 
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my only black and white Bucciali


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Bucciali
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:47 pm 
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anton wrote:
my only black and white Bucciali



:D For you


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Bucciali
PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:17 pm 
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João Gazineu wrote:
anton wrote:
my only black and white Bucciali



:D For you


Thanks! I always think these cars look even better in period pics.


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Bucciali
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:10 pm 
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It is for sale if anyone is interested :-).

http://www.kidston.com/view_car.php?id=116


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Bucciali
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:05 pm 
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Some more period pics of the few Bucciali made, all with Saoutchik bodies (not Labourdette)


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Bucciali
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:16 pm 
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And a shot of the Paris Salon stand of Bucciali in 1930


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Bucciali
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:26 pm 
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robgeelen wrote:
Some more period pics of the few Bucciali made, all with Saoutchik bodies (not Labourdette)

Rob, why do you think that the upper body is not by Labourdette? Over the past forty years I have been intrigued by the Bucciali creations and all investigation and correspondence has pointed to this body being by Labourdette. In his superb work on Bucciali Christian Huet provides far more authoritative evidence than I that this body is by Labourdette (of Puteaux, rather than the more familiar "Henri", and apparently unrelated).

Of course, both this body and the most celebrated Saoutchik Buccialis emanated from initial design sketches by P.A. Bucciali himself, but the hand of the carrossier inevitably makes itself evident in the final creation. Few would deny that the Saoutchik work is amongst his most vital, and the Labourdette (I contend) body here also displays some of the essence of the few other Labourdette of Puteaux bodies that I have encountered.

Clive.


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Bucciali
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:52 am 
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Clive,
It was sheer laziness not to consult the book on Bucciali as it is my library. I will consult it, but the white car certainly is Saoutchik (as is the four door saloon, but that is not part of the dispute I think). As ever, I am open to new insights!
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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Bucciali
PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:39 pm 
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Saoutchik design from the catalogue for the Bucciali TAV Double-Huit, 1931


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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Bucciali
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:19 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Saoutchik Bucciali
PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:09 am 
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Short chassis


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