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 Post subject: Books about coachbuilding
PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:20 pm 
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I think there hasn't been such a topic created yet?

Books about coachbuilders and coachbuilding are often hardly-accessible and info about them is scarce even in automotive bookstores. Many have never been published in english. Those that have been, are usually very expensive. I'm often drawn back from buying a book by not knowing whether it's worth paying so much for it (I have to buy through the internet of course, as there is maybe one bookstore in Poland that sometimes has books of this kind in store).

Therefore I would like to ask everyone to contribute to this topic, by writing about books that you consider a good source of coachbuilding knowledge. It will be enough to simply write the title, year and country, but it would be even better to add a few words of a review and maybe a picture of the cover and a scan or two of the content, or anything else you consider worth mentioning :)


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 Post subject: Re: Books about coachbuilding
PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:30 pm 
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That´s a good topic! My contribution:

These books are expensive!

€250 euros the cheapest!


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 Post subject: Re: Books about coachbuilding
PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:55 pm 
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This is also very expensive but a very good book:

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 Post subject: Re: Books about coachbuilding - questions
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:35 pm 
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@ Joáo:

Is the 'Carrosserie Francaise' in French/Engish written or an extra English-issue available?
I cannot read French - so to spend ~250;--€ for pics only ...,

@ All:

I have up-to-date nearly 1.200 car-books - about 500 will be for coachwork-themes only. I can scan a few hundred of the best ones in future - with titles and stats-overview during the next year, if it is interested enough for You ...,

... :?: and ;) is sending FrankWo


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 Post subject: Re: Books about coachbuilding
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:41 pm 
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That book is avaliable only in French I think,it´s a book from 1972 and very rare...

Written by Jean Henri Labourdette
Editeur :EDITA-LAZARUS with 240 pages of black and white pics.


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 Post subject: Re: Books about coachbuilding
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:11 pm 
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The Labourdette book is well worth the money, even in French!, Frank, as it has many pics, and structures etc. described


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 Post subject: Re: Books about coachbuilding
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:16 pm 
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Can I recommend Those Elegant Rolls-Royce, Coachwork on Rolls-Royce, and Rolls-Royce The Elegance Continues, all by L.E. Dalton, all mostly, many pictures of prewar Rolls Royce (first 2) and post war (the last one)


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 Post subject: Re: Books about coachbuilding
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:40 pm 
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Another good book is "Isotta Fraschini" by Angelo Tito Anselmi +/- 100€

and rare too.....


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 Post subject: Re: Books about coachbuilding
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:14 am 
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Another realy nice book by Anselmi (and Anderloni) is 'Carrozzeria Touring'

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When you are patient and lucky, you can find an Italian copy for about 100 Euro.
French and English versions are more expensive.


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 Post subject: Re: Books about coachbuilding - questions
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:26 am 
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FrankWo wrote:
@ Joáo:

Is the 'Carrosserie Francaise' in French/Engish written or an extra English-issue available?
I cannot read French - so to spend ~250;--€ for pics only ...,

@ All:

I have up-to-date nearly 1.200 car-books - about 500 will be for coachwork-themes only. I can scan a few hundred of the best ones in future - with titles and stats-overview during the next year, if it is interested enough for You ...,

... :?: and ;) is sending FrankWo

Hey Frank,

It will be great if you can do that. I'm looking forward to see the list with titles and some photos.Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Books about coachbuilding
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:24 am 
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Hello and thank You for Your answers ...,

... so, next year I will atart to look for:
'Carr. Francaise' - <250;--€ & Carr. Touring/GB - <100;--€
Is the 'I-Fraschini'-title in English written?

Next year/week I will start with the introduction of my books ...

The Beaulieu Encyclopedia of the Automobile: Coachbuilding (Hardcover)/*2001-GB-language only
last part of a 4-issues- row with 400pages/ ~<1.000pics. #1 > #3 is for the non-CB-brands
http://tinyurl.com/International-Coachbuilding
bought for 40€/ebay-GER-2007, sometimes still found for <80;--€
rating: 1 - a must for a theme-collection

with greetings, FrankWo


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 Post subject: Re: Books about coachbuilding
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:49 am 
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I bought a couple of months ago a copy of the 'Beaulieu Encyclopedia of the Automotive: Coachbuilding' for indeed around 80 Euro's.

And while I agree it is a must have for Coachbuild-lovers...I was a bit disappointed by the content.
There are a lot of coachbuilders in it that I never heard before of (so that's a good thing)...but there are also a lot of companies that I know missing in the book (My specialty are Italian ones).
So I assume that from other countries, also a lot of companies are missing.

Also I do not understand that they work with 2 lists, the 'main list' and the 'supplementary list'. Because of that you often need to look in the 2 lists.

I'm also missing an index with all the brands by country, accompanied with the period they were active. That would be very useful for me.


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 Post subject: Re: Books about coachbuilding
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:58 pm 
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Hi, (forums-)mate,

I agree with You. First we have had: A-Z of British Coachbuilders 1919-1960/*1997
http://tinyurl.com/GB-Coachbuilders-1919-60 - 25;--GBP/35;--€ ; 210 pages/450 photos ; it is #5 of a complete Encycl./#1 > #4 is 'A>Z 1919 > 1980' for standard-brands.
They never published a 2nd. CB-issue/#6 for 1961> ...,
... but realized instead the 'Encyclopaedia of CB' as #4 of the car-history-line, with mainly the GB-UK-Commonwealth-USA-ones, mostly taken from the 'A>Z-title', additional the rest-EUropean, importend for UK, and others are noticed in short words with part II or really missed.
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But, also, You have to know:
You create a book-concept, complete with, maybe 650 pages, Your publisher says: No - only <400 pages!!!
You cannot only bring less and smaller pictures, a lot of CB´s and text also You have to forget too ... ,

... Yours, Frank ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Books about coachbuilding
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:00 pm 
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The Golden Age of the Luxury Car, Dover Books, 1980

Below is the review I wrote on ebay, shortly after purchasing this excellent book...

"This book is a must for any serious student of the age of Classic Coachbuilt Automobiles. Subtitled, 'An Anthology of Articles & Photographs from 'Autobody,' 1927-1931', it was culled from the short-lived 'Autobody,' a magazine published monthly in New York City from 1922 to 1931.

'Autobody' chronicled the Automotive Salons in New York, Chicago, Paris, London, Brussels, Milan and more. Divided into seven sections, the articles, insights and photos are contemporary to the era, rather than recent writings that may have lost their historical context. It includes listings of all the major coachbuilders on both sides of the Atlantic, stories on the Concours D'Elegance (far removed from today's Concours) that showcased some of the finest custom body-building of the day and much more than can be revealed in this small space.

Remember that this was the time, brief but glorious, in automotive history when the 'Carriage Trade' (royalty, the rich and famous) would buy a chassis from one of the upper-echelon car companies and have a truly custom body built to their specifications and tastes. These well-healed folks were paying tens of thousands of dollars for a car at a time when the world was sinking into the Depression, and the Ford Model A cost $500-$600.

Auto stylists annually would sail back and forth on ocean liners to get ideas for their own upcoming designs, new trends in color, upholsteries, etc. The Salons and Concours they visited featured design elements that would eventually wind up on our own, average, workaday showroom models. Some of the articles are even written by now-famous stylists whose influences lasted for decades.

Don't let its relatively small size (152 pages) fool you; inside are plenty of stunning creations for Duesenbergs, Packards, Pierce-Arrows, Marmons, Cadillacs, Lincolns, Minervas, Rolls Royces, and on and on. Exterior and interior photos of these foreign and domestic Classics provide a brief glimpse of the 'way the other half lived.'

Published in 1980 by Dover Publications, edited from the Author George Hildebrand's complete collection of 'Autobody,' I find it indispensible for my own varied areas of research and interest. Mr. Hildebrand's distinguished career began with LeBaron and then Rollston in New York City, later by stints with GM and others following the collapse of the coachbuilt car market. It's truly a labor of love, compiled by someone who was there at the time, chronicling a bygone era never to be repeated.

I happened upon a copy in our city's library, devoured it completely, and was thrilled to find my own (long out of print) copy on ebay, at a very reasonable price. No personal automotive history reference library is complete without it."

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 Post subject: up-to-date ebay-France offers
PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:44 pm 
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01. LES VOITURES DES GRANDS/1977
... self-bought in 2006 for 10;--€ - a lot of CB-Presidial-cars in use during the past century: http://tinyurl.com/ends-Jan-02th

02. Pininfarina/1982
... no have ..., no advices possible: http://tinyurl.com/ends-January-02th

03. HENRI CHAPRON CARROSSERIE FRANCAISE/2002
new - 45;--€ ; self-bought-2008 - 25;--€ - with 190 pages You cannot get a complete history but a very good overview - would like to recommendable <40;--€ encluded sending-rate for it: http://tinyurl.com/ends-2010-Jan-02th

04. TOUTES LES VOITURES FRANCAISES 1980 - #74
Nearly each year of the past century has an own issue ..., ... complete with CB-cars also: http://tinyurl.com/ends-2010-Jan-03rd

05. SALON AUTOMOBILE DE PARIS/1898 > 2005 issue-2006
Only the first ten pages are reserved for the years 1898 > 1939, 75 pages for 1946 > 1959 ; 80 pages for 1960 > 1978 ; 100 pages for 1980 > 2005 ; is new about 45;--€ - would pay <35;--€ encl. sending-rate, only an overview with ~65% French cars (self-bought for 15;--€ ,6 month ago): http://tinyurl.com/ends-2010-Jan-01st

06. LES VOITURES FRANCAISES DE 1920 à 1925 issue-1977
... no idea - if it has CB-ones encluded: http://tinyurl.com/ends-2009-Dec-30th

07. LES VOITURES de 1886 à 1930 issue-1990
... no idea - if it has CB-ones encluded: http://tinyurl.com/ends-2009-December-30th

08. Livre 100 ans innovations et excellence BUGATTI issue-2009
new: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ends-December-30th
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Btw: Do You now a good book-title as help for recognizeing cars by their radiator(form)s? It would be an additional help for me and my brands-badges-mascots-figureheads-titles ...,

Thank You and greetings is sending FrankWo ;)


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 Post subject: ebay-founds - Books about coachbuilding
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:29 pm 
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09. http://tinyurl.com/Stanguellini-2003
10. http://tinyurl.com/CB-Hebmueller-GER - new - 25;--€ ; now - 08;-->€

FWo ;)


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 Post subject: Re: ebay-founds - Books about coachbuilding
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:34 pm 
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FrankWo wrote:


You can buy the English version of the Stanguellini book for the reduced price of 34.95 € at Libreria dell' automobile: http://www.libreriadellautomobile.it/English/ViewBook.asp?IDBook=6235

I'm gonna try to get my hands on that Henri Chapron book (your nr 03)


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 Post subject: Re: Books about coachbuilding
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:40 pm 
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BuickBoy57 wrote:
The Golden Age of the Luxury Car, Dover Books, 1980


I bought this on your recommendation and I agree it is a wonderful book.


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 Post subject: Re: Books about coachbuilding
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:50 pm 
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Pricey and a little off topic but a great book for any aficionado of prewar cars:

Cord Complete by Josh Malks. 2009. http://www.cordcomplete.com

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 Post subject: Re: Books about coachbuilding
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:14 am 
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I don´t have it but it should be fantastic: about € 50...


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