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 Post subject: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:46 pm 
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1936 Rolls-Royce Phantom III Coupé Chauffeur Franay

And a 1947 Rolls-Royce Silver Wraith DHC Franay.
Franay only built six bodies on the Silver Wraith chassis. They were all more or less different from one another.


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 Post subject: Re: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:11 pm 
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Phantom III it is, not Phantom II
The Silver Wraith is Chassis WVA 63 delivered to Dr. M. Abdel Latif, in Switzerland, in December 1947


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 Post subject: Re: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:53 pm 
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A design for the Phantom IV for the Saudi Royal Family by Franay. The final result had rather different wings.


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 Post subject: Re: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:06 pm 
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João Gazineu wrote:
:D 1936 Rolls-Royce Phantom III Coupé Chauffeur Franay :mrgreen:

Proofread.

And a 1947 Rolls-Royce Silver Wraith DHC Franay.
Franay only built six bodies on the Silver Wraith chassis. They were all more or less different from one another.

1936 Rolls-Royce Phantom III Coupé Chauffeur Franay Chassis 3 CM 91 delivered to K. Thiel, Switzerland after 1938 Paris Salon, Franay Stand


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 Post subject: Re: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 6:39 pm 
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If you watch this video at 40s you'll see a Rolls Royce by Franay at the salon de l'automobile in Paris 1952

http://www.grandpalais.fr/fr/Footer_gen ... rand_P.htm

I'm not a Rolls Royce expert but i'd say it's a Silver Wraith.


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 Post subject: Re: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 6:41 pm 
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Same sort of movies are shown on British Pathe: recommended.


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 Post subject: Re: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:31 am 
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If you watch this video at 40s you'll see a Rolls Royce by Franay at the salon de l'automobile in Paris 1952

This one? ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:09 am 
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This is LALW 31, which is certainly by Franay, and on the long wheel base chassis, and was delivered after the show in 1952, to the crown prince of Iraq (not Saudi-Arabia), who later became King Feisal II. However, it seems that the car was formally ordered by the Prince-Regent Saad (his uncle), as the crown prince was still under age then. A story told by the late King Hussain II of Jordan, was that after some use in France for visits of the crown prince, the car when in Iraq, was in firm hands with the Prince Regent, while the crown prince had to make do with a battered old American car. Later both the then King Faisal II and the Prince Regent ordered Phantom IV's...
Later the car was resprayed from its original primrose and grey colourscheme to a more sombre monotone, and has been in the UK where it survives.
The car shown in the movie is an earlier production by Franay, LWME 58, on the 1951 show, on the short wheelbase chassis, for Aristotle Onassis, the Greek shipping millionaire, who resided both in Paris and Monte Carlo. This car also survives. Yet another Sedanca de Ville was on the 1950 show, and this was supplied to the Saudi Prince Talal al Saoud, (L)WHD 81, shown below.


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 Post subject: Re: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:26 am 
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Not a very happy creation: a 1950 Silver Wraith Limousine by Franay, WHD 53, for Miss G. Bonsor, in Monaco. Not shown on the Motor Show, though it will have looked less like a bus in a different colour as originally delivered.


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 Post subject: Re: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:39 am 
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How to turn a sow's ear into a silk purse: this beautiful Franay body was the second body on chassis LWAB 63, which was first shown as a left hand drive chassis on the 1948 Paris Salon, was then fitted with a hideous sedanca coupe body by Pobereysky and shown as such on the 1949 Geneva Show. There it caused quite a stir, looking very much like a large Volvo PV444, to the dismay of Rolls Royce. Subsequently the body was removed, destroyed by Rolls Royce - it is assumed - and then clothed by Franay with this beauty for Senora L. Benites-Rexach of the Dominican Republic. It was shown as various concours d'elegance in France in 1950, in cooperation with the Paris RR agent, Franco-Brittanic. It stayed with them until 1998, when it was beautifuly restored by Vantage Motors of Miami, owned by Richard Gorman, a very well respected institution.


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 Post subject: Re: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:49 pm 
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Chassis LBLW70 was a long wheelbase left hand drive chassis Silver Wraith with a Limousine body by Franay similar to the 1952 car, in black and white for delivery to Prince Mohammed bin Saud Al-Kabeer. It is sometimes listed as also being a Sedanca de Ville, but it is not.


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 Post subject: Re: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:09 pm 
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LELW 2 was a 1955 left hand drive Silver Wraith long wheel base chassis with 4566 cc engine and automatic gearbox, which was supplied to Franay for an American customer, Mrs. J. Thomas Russell, who kept changing her mind about what she wanted. At first a traditional Limousine was planned, then it evolved to the car seen here, with more modern, even sporty lines. Subsequently the customer decided on having an integral airconditioning system installed, which neccessitated the removal of the body once more, and the reurn of the chassis to Rolls Royce. On this occasion in 1958, Rolls Royce updated the specification of the chassis to then current standard with a bigger engine (4877cc) as well as power assisted steering. This again forced Franay to adapt the body again. When the whole car was finished it was nearly 1959, but the customer was travelling and only took delivery in May 1959. That year the new V8 engined Rolls Royces were introduced, and she soon was persuaded to trade her car in for the latest model.


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 Post subject: Re: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:18 pm 
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On first sight this is a H.J.Mulliner Touring Saloon, except that it is by Franay, WZB26, 1949, for Nouveautes Industrielles. Still in fine fettle.


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 Post subject: Re: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:27 pm 
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Phantom II, a Cabriolet de Ville, circa 1934, right? Well, it looks the part, except only one Phantom II (110GN) by Franay is accounted for and is from 1930. If this is that car, it would have been revolutionary in 1930. However, 105 Phantom II were sold new in France, and inevitably they changed owner. Plus, times were tough, and a new Rolls Royce chassis was an expensive affair. The body may have been out of fashion, but the chassis still had plenty of life left in it. So, the business was to get a new body on an older chassis. Depending on the budget, parts were carried over. In this case the tell tale is in the bonnet which does not have any overhang at the rear, and nor do the louvres. So, quite a late body on an earlier chassis, and not accounted for. Somebody will know...


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 Post subject: Re: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:33 pm 
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I think it was boybentley who came up with pics of the Phantom IV Cabriolet shown below, but for some reason they are not on these pages... Who has pics of the car as it is now, in a very dark colour with, I think green leather?


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 Post subject: Re: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 3:04 pm 
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Wraith from 1949.


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 Post subject: Re: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 11:37 pm 
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It has been attributed to Franay in some book errounly, as the coachbuilder is Epps, chassisnr WYA69. Epps Bros., Croydon Road, London SE20, were a short lived coachbuilding firm specialising in converting pre war cars to estate cars which had lower road tax. They also built a body on a Bentley, but this was their sole body on a Silver Wraith, supplied to C.Gibbs. Car is now in the USA. Epps closed in 1950. Reg.KLR 648


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 Post subject: Re: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 2:40 pm 
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Never knew that, they did a fine job, me thinks.
I'll repost the picture.


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 Post subject: Re: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 3:39 pm 
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robgeelen wrote:
It has been attributed to Franay in some book errounly, as the coachbuilder is Epps, chassisnr WYA69. Epps Bros., Croydon Road, London SE20, were a short lived coachbuilding firm specialising in converting pre war cars to estate cars which had lower road tax. They also built a body on a Bentley, but this was their sole body on a Silver Wraith, supplied to C.Gibbs. Car is now in the USA. Epps closed in 1950. Reg.KLR 648


Unfortunately the mis-identification was perpetuated by the body being attributed to Franay by no less an authority than Lawrence Dalton in his book "Coachwork on Rolls-Royce". He corrected the mistake in an edition of the RREC Bulletin, but damage is not easily undone.

Epps brothers in Penge should possibly better be remembered for a small quantity of Riley RM convertibles that they built in two styles. One was relatively conventional with little concession to "modern" thinking, and at least one one still exists, the other was close to the styling of the Bentley.

Something in the back of my mind (and probably on a small scrap of paper inappropriately filed) tells me that Roy Creech of coach-trimming fame (well-known to owners of once-tatty Rolls-Royces) had worked for Epps Bros, but I cannot confirm this at the moment.

The firm's output was undeniably small but it probably deserves a separate entry. Mr Administrator!

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 Post subject: Re: Franay Rolls-Royces
PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:07 am 
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NicoB wrote:
If you watch this video at 40s you'll see a Rolls Royce by Franay at the salon de l'automobile in Paris 1952

http://www.grandpalais.fr/fr/Footer_gen ... rand_P.htm

I'm not a Rolls Royce expert but i'd say it's a Silver Wraith.

http://www.ina.fr/economie-et-societe/v ... is.fr.html Salon de Paris , 1952, Franay


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