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 Post subject: Ghia Aigle Delahaye
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:57 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Ghia Aigle Delahaye
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:12 pm 
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Here are some more pics: http://www.carclassic.com/stock.asp?Ref=BF40&Lang=en

I wonder... what do (or did) people see in these WHALES on WHEELS which Ghia and Ghia-Aigle had built on various chassis?

See also these Fiats: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=153
And an Alfa Romeo here: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=573

I think they are not very elegant and stylish, but just unpleasantly chubby, not to say fat. They look like beached whales.
Who agrees/disagrees?

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 Post subject: Re: Ghia Aigle Delahaye
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:54 pm 
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Michiel Mobiel wrote:
Here are some more pics: http://www.carclassic.com/stock.asp?Ref=BF40&Lang=en

I wonder... what do (or did) people see in these WHALES on WHEELS which Ghia and Ghia-Aigle had built on various chassis?

See also these Fiats: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=153
And an Alfa Romeo here: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=573

I think they are not very elegant and stylish, but just unpleasantly chubby, not to say fat. They look like beached whales.
Who agrees/disagrees?


Maybe because of that. Is the fascination of the uglyness and the rare ,something that only could happened in that time and never more. American monsters stylished of the fourtys. They are amazing but surely not so beautiful...
Yes, fat whales on wheels (that's nice!)
Let's see opinions...


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 Post subject: Re: Ghia Aigle Delahaye
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:41 pm 
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I agree with Aymami : all these cars are more amazing than beautiful, but this is their “ugliness” which makes them fascinating. The question asked by Michiel Mobiel about what lead Ghia and Ghia Aigle to style and build such cars is interesting, and I have thought a lot about it. In my opinion, this is the combination of two factors.
First, the research of aerodynamic cars in the late thirties had led to some interesting designs, mainly by Pinin Farina (1937 Lancia Aprilia Aerodinamica) and Touring (1938/39 BMW and Alfa Romeo), where we could already see the integration of the wings which lead to the “pontoon” style developed after WWII by american carmakers (the first one being the 1947 Kaiser Frazer and Studebaker Champion). It is also interesting to notice the enclosed wheels of the P F Lancia Aprilia, a theme also exploited by the french Figoni & Falaschi at the time. So the “pontoon” body, combined with enclosed wheels, lead to heavy and clumsy proportions, that the stylists had to learn to master…
The “whales of wheels” theme was not only used by Ghia and Ghia-Aigle, but also at Stabilimenti Farina and, in a certain way, at Pinin Farina. According to the 1991 book about Carrozzeria Ghia by Valerio Moretti, the two men responsible for this trend are Mario Felice Boano, who took over Ghia just at the end of WWII, and his stylist, named Capalbi ; both came from Stabilimenti Farina.
The second factor is the context when this styling theme appeared. WWII left all the european countries litteraly on their knees, with a whole economy to rebuild. In this very harsh context, full of hardship, people needed to dream and exorcise the trauma of the war in having a glance at a lost opulence. That explains the success and also the scandal of the “New Look” dresses of Dior, which used an enormous amount of fabric to create ample skirts and dresses, to deny the rationning of raw materials. The “fat whales on wheels” are a sort of equivalent of the “New Look” skirts : at the time, they represented the ultimate modernity, with their integral body and enclosed wheels, following the aerodynamic trends developed in the late thirties.
Moreover, these cars appeared essentially in concours d’elegance, like fashion shows. People just dreamed at them and at better times which were coming.
Because of the rationing, many of these cars were bodied on pre-war chassis, especially Lancia Asturas ; see the attached pictures ! Look at the twin Lancia Asturas from Stabilimenti Farina (one was pale green and the other… coral orange !) the coupe with rectangular headlights, also from Stab. Farina and the roadster by Pinin Farina…
But this was a short-lived fashion, lasting only a few seasons, from 1946 to 1948. The end of the “fat whales on wheels” occured in September 1947, when the Cisitalia 202 from Pinin Farina appeared : with its perfect proportions and, for the first time, the perfect integration of all the elements of the body (hood, wings and pavillion), it showed to the Italian Carrozzeria which way to go : you know what happened in the following years…
However, I just love these cars, because they represented an enormous effort in the immediate post-WWII for the coachbuilders who struggled to develop their companies agaiin. They are certainly naïve, like big tin toys, but this is the way the Italian imagined the future, in the late forties…


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 Post subject: Re: Ghia Aigle Delahaye
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:08 pm 
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AYMAMI wrote:
Is the fascination of the uglyness and the rare ,something that only could happened in that time and never more.

In a certain way it is happening again... With the many new upcoming Chinese makes and models. Different taste, renewing views on ancient traditions, etc...

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 Post subject: Re: Ghia Aigle Delahaye
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:13 pm 
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phaeton wrote:
In my opinion, this is the combination of two factors....

Great post, Yvon! Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: Ghia Aigle Delahaye
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:59 pm 
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You are a welcome !
Here are some other photographs of "fat whales on wheels" that I have found.

As you can see, this was a fashion shared by Ghia, Stabilimenti Farina (I love the colour photograph of the coral orange Astura, taken at the Nice concours d'elegance) and even Pinin Farina, with a Lancia Aprilia convertible.


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 Post subject: Re: Ghia Aigle Delahaye
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:35 pm 
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Perfect Yvon!
Congratulations and thanks for your clear lines that help us know more.
Always looking for the future! ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Ghia Aigle Delahaye
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:42 pm 
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'WHALES on WHEELS': it would make a nice article . Yvon's explanation would be very interesting for the website visitors who do not visit this forum.
Feel free to add anything that you think would be worth mentioning in the article.

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 Post subject: Re: Ghia Aigle Delahaye
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 Post subject: Re: Ghia Aigle Delahaye
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:08 pm 
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TommyK wrote:
a period pic


Nice photo , however almost definitely it was taken much more recently , on the setup day of one of the larger European shows judging by the Auto retro magazine poster on the wall , the plastic had yet to be removed from the carpet on the floor =)


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