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 Post subject: Re: Delahaye-F&F 135-Cabriolet & Roadster
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 10:57 am 
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Hi, Arunas,

the first is: chassis#-48563 - photo with Paris-Salon/1937 ...,
the second: chassis#-49126 - photo with Concours d'Elecance du Gardénia de St.Cloud/1937 and Monsieur Francois Richepin as driver.
This chassis#-49126 gets another carrosserie with white paint in 1938 - some drawings before are shown the same car(-project) in (british-racing-)green ...,

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 Post subject: Re: Delahaye-F&F 135-Cabriolet & Roadster
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:36 am 
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FrankWo wrote:
Hi, Arunas,

the first is: chassis#-48563 - photo with Paris-Salon/1937 ...,
the second: chassis#-49126 - photo with Concours d'Elecance du Gardénia de St.Cloud/1937 and Monsieur Francois Richepin as driver.
This chassis#-49126 gets another carrosserie with white paint in 1938 - some drawings before are shown the same car(-project) in (british-racing-)green ...,

... Yours, Frank.


Thanks Frank,

but what are these cars? Make and model?

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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:47 pm 
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Here is a Bugatti Brescia, rebodied in late thirties or forties by an unknown swiss coachbuilder ; has anyone more informations about this body ?

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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:17 pm 
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Is it Lancia Astura? Who did the bodywork? Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:40 pm 
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The Bugatti is 1938-Tüscher/Zürich-CH ...,
... the Lancia 1937-PininFarina ...,

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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:42 pm 
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I found the same design on a Fiat 1500 chassis, without the lateral chrome rims (pic #4) made by Touring.
The Pininfarina's flying star period was quite different (pic #2-3) but there are also some similar designs in his productions(pic #1).
I can't find this car in Pininfarina's catalogue. Are you sure it is his design?


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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:47 pm 
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I haven't found this car in my books, but additional similar looking ones (in optic and chrom-ornamentic) with Ghia and Boneschi ...,
... so, we cannot be shure ...,
... btw. - the meaning of the number-plate is: WL-162649 Wehrmacht Luftwaffe / German Airforce - Beutefahrzeug/car booty in the early 40s with Kommandeurs-Standarte/commander standard
More You can find with: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/index.php
They have a special part for unknown photo-cars: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/ ... y.php?f=14
Meanwhile they are with page 51: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/ ... 25&page=51
Around page <33> I was helped there, but I am not very interested in the military-car-themes, so I have only about 20 car-books for it - not enough to help there daily, they have better experts for war-themes ...,

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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:23 pm 
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scary sources you know.... :(


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 Post subject: Art déco Hispano-Suizas
PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:32 am 
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2 models....the same question..Who is the coachbuilder?


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 Post subject: Re: Art déco Hispano-Suizas
PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:35 am 
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And this pair?


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 Post subject: Re: Art déco Hispano-Suizas
PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:35 am 
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#1 is H-S 30HP-SportTourer/1918> ; no coachbuilder noticed ...,
#2 is H-S Milion-Guiet J12-54CV
#3 still not found ...,

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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:12 pm 
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The "Lancia Astura" photo is quite exciting. The story is told in as much detail as is known in the recently published second edition of Simon Moore's fabulous book The Immortal 2.9 Alfa Romeo 8C2900, but the car is in fact a hitherto unidentified and incredibly rare 1941 Alfa Romeo S10 with a V12 engine and a Touring body, used by Gen. Feldmarschall von Rundstedt during World War II. Moore includes three quite clear photographs of the car, but the one posted here may be one of three additional fuzzy photos to which he refers and which he had previously been shown.

The car is the one shown on page 161 of Anselmi's Touring Superleggera, with no chassis attributed and in what appears to be a Touring factory photo. Opinion had been that it was probably a 4th series Astura, but this has now been overtaken by Moore's researches.

The car survived the war (without engine), but, appallingly, was then broken up in Austria by a Porsche engineer. It is small consolation that he still has the seats.

I have noted some minor differences between this photo and the photos shown by Moore. The number on the WL number plate is different (Frank: do you have any way of dating the issue of this plate?). In the posted photo the car has lost its original wheel discs and here has standard hubcaps. It has also acquired an extra spotlamp in the centre of the grill. These changes would seem to indicate that the posted photo was taken later during the war than those in Moore's book.

One final intriguing point from Moore's book: notes made by von Rundstedt's chauffeur on the back of one of the photos seem to indicate that it was fitted with TWO Alfa V12s in line. That nose might just be long enough.....


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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:17 pm 
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(Edit to my previous post)
"the car has LOST its third spotlamp in the centre of the grill shown on Moore's photos."

The photo in Anselmi's book shows it in original form with two spotlamps.


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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:19 pm 
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The complete picture of the 1935 pininfarina 8c


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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:54 pm 
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I think that this is the car that you are talking about...The last car of the post

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 Post subject: Re: Re: Art déco Hispano-Suizas
PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:17 pm 
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Nr.3 is a 30cv Hispano Suiza chassis K6. This may narrow down the options. It has a bit of the look of the later Labourdette creations.


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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:53 am 
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And this 1957 Fiat 1900? Boano?


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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:18 am 
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João,

Yes, you're right. It is the same car. The photograph in the Alfa 2900 thread is one of the three which appeared in the second edition of The Immortal 2.9. In the first edition 20 years ago, this car was included as one of the mystery cars which might or might not have been 2.9s. However, Moore's subsequent researches identified it as a previously unknown S10.


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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:03 pm 
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Is this 540k done by Sindelfingen?
To me it looks a bit like the voll&Ruhrbeck 540k cabrio with the strange front bumpers.
Are there more pics around? The car seems to have survived the war.


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 Post subject: Re: MB-Sindelfingen/1937
PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:24 pm 
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Hi, Anton,

this is Chassis-# 154133, spent for a MB-Sindelfingen W29-540K Cabriolet-A, rebodied in the early 50s. In the 70s this car was painted gold and mendaciously called 'The Eva Braun Car' ...,

... more is not shure enough to publish ...,

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