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 Post subject: Re: Nominate missing Coachbuilders here
PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:08 pm 
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 Post subject: Gräf & Stift - Austria
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Gräf & Stift was an Austrian automaker founded in 1902 by the brothers Franz, Heinrich and Karl Gräf, and the investor, Wilhelm Stift. Before the Second World War, the company was a renowned manufacturer of luxury automobiles, including the one that famously took part in the Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. Gräf & Stift was also a prominent truck and bus manufacturer, and remained active in that field until its takeover by MAN AG in 1971.

The Gräf brothers started a bicycle service workshop in Vienna in 1893, quickly branching out into bicycle manufacturing. Their bicycles sold well, requiring the company to relocate to be able to increase capacity. While the bicycle business in Europe was booming, the brothers also saw potential in the fledgling automobile, and commissioned Josef Kainz to design one. The result was an unusual voiturette with by a one-cylinder De Dion-Bouton engine fitted in front of the vehicle, powering the front axle, built sometime between 1895 and 1898, according to various sources. It was thus arguably the world's first front-wheel drive automobile, but it never saw mass production, with only one copy ever made, even though the technology was eventually patented in 1900. However, the voiturette remained in regular use until 1914 and was in working condition yet at the dawn of the 1970s.

In 1901, the brothers started cooperating with the Austrian businessman Wilhelm (Willy) Stift, an automobile importer who had already ventured into automobile manufacturing under the marque Celeritas. Celeritas automobiles were then assembled using French engines at the Gräf workshops, and in 1904 the gentlemen founded a joint company, named Gräf & Stift. Later, the company manufactured automobiles for the Spitz brand, owned by the automobile vendor Arnold Spitz. When Spitz went bankrupt in 1907, Gräf & Stift started building automobiles under their own brand.

The company concentrated on large, sophisticated and luxurious cars, which became popular with the Austrian aristocracy and even the Habsburg royal family. Apart from luxury cars, Gräf & Stift also became an important manufacturer of buses as well as tram bodies.


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 Post subject: Tuning-Cars
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:32 am 
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Hello and welcome to You, Serval,

for all non-CB-made-cars we have got the 'FrankWo's parking-lot'. It will be the best place for all 'new-age-tuning' themes, additional all private created cars.
For the only 'seldom-cars', usual ones and non-car-themes we can use the 'Have a break'-headline.

With greetings, FrankWo ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Nominate missing Coachbuilders here
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:52 pm 
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Dannhauer & Strauss (Austria)

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 Post subject: Re: Tuning-Cars
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:43 pm 
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FrankWo wrote:
for all non-CB-made-cars we have got the 'FrankWo's parking-lot'. It will be the best place for all 'new-age-tuning' themes, additional all private created cars.
For the only 'seldom-cars', usual ones and non-car-themes we can use the 'Have a break'-headline.

Which can be found in the Off-Topic section: viewforum.php?f=347

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 Post subject: Re: Nominate missing Coachbuilders here
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:12 pm 
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I´ll add more tonight and someone could tell more about these british coachbuilders?

How I should add : Brainsby? Brainsby & Sons or Brainsby-Woolard?
Corinthian
Coachcraft
Bridgen & Co of Brighton
Neyton & sons

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 Post subject: Re: Nominate missing Coachbuilders here
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:45 pm 
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João Gazineu wrote:
I´ll add more tonight and someone could tell more about these british coachbuilders?

How I should add : Brainsby? Brainsby & Sons or Brainsby-Woolard?
Corinthian
Coachcraft
Bridgen & Co of Brighton
Neyton & sons

Thanks :good:


All info from 'The Beaulieu Encyclopedia of the Automobile: Coachbuilding':

Corinthian (GB) 1934
Corinthian Coachwork Ltd, Killburn, London.
Took over the former premises of the Mayfair Carriage Co., but built no more than 3 bodies, 2 on Lagonda Rapier chassis and one 3 1/2-litre Bentley.

I think it is Brigden and not Bridgen. 1928-1929
A Brighton firm which bodied 2 front-wheel drive Alvis racing cars.


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 Post subject: Re: Tuning-Cars
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FrankWo wrote:
Hello and welcome to You, Serval,

for all non-CB-made-cars we have got the 'FrankWo's parking-lot'. It will be the best place for all 'new-age-tuning' themes, additional all private created cars.
For the only 'seldom-cars', usual ones and non-car-themes we can use the 'Have a break'-headline.

With greetings, FrankWo ;)


Thanks, Frank!


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 Post subject: Re: Nominate missing Coachbuilders here
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:13 pm 
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João Gazineu wrote:
I´ll add more tonight and someone could tell more about these british coachbuilders?

How I should add : Brainsby? Brainsby & Sons or Brainsby-Woolard?
Corinthian
Coachcraft
Bridgen & Co of Brighton
Neyton & sons

Thanks :good:


Yes, it is most definitely Brigden of Brighton and not Bridgen. Things may have been confused by a Delage that has been offered for sale recently that has been described as by Bridgen. I have seen this car and the plates do read Brigden.

Brigden is a name found frequently around Sussex (which is where Brighton is) and coachbuilding under this name can be traced back well into the 19th century, but I don't know if there was a continuous direct family line to the motor coachbuilder. Their output on private vehicles seems to have been fairly small (I didn't know about the FWD Alvis - thanks Il fiammingo) and I believe that may have made more commercial bodies.

The history of Brainsby and Brainsby Woollard is confusing to say the least, and a fair amount of interesting correspondence has appeared in "The Automobile" in recent times. The true nature of the link between this coachbuilder and Lancefield in particular has caused me much head-scratching over the years. I would suggest letting someone else do the hard work before setting anything down!

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 Post subject: Re: Nominate missing Coachbuilders here
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:38 pm 
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The information posted above about Gräf & Stift, Brigden and the others is most valuable.
Could you guys please repost this in the "general info"-topic once the specific new coachbuilder sections are created?
We could also copy-paste this, but I think it is nicer to read the info in your names.

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 Post subject: Re: Nominate missing Coachbuilders here
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 Post subject: Re: Nominate missing Coachbuilders here
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João Gazineu wrote:
How I should add : Brainsby? Brainsby & Sons or Brainsby-Woolard?

I've added them as "Brainsby". The name change will become clear in the "general info"-topic and by the dates of the specific cars.
Check here: viewforum.php?f=381

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 Post subject: Re: Nominate missing Coachbuilders here
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 Post subject: Re: Nominate missing Coachbuilders here
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Michiel Mobiel wrote:
Gräf & Stift added: viewforum.php?f=382

Wait a minute here... Gräf & Stift were a car manufacturer... not a coachbuilder, or were they?

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 Post subject: Re: Nominate missing Coachbuilders here
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Michiel Mobiel wrote:
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Gräf & Stift added: viewforum.php?f=382

Wait a minute here... Gräf & Stift were a car manufacturer... not a coachbuilder, or were they?


Dear Michiel,
Like Daimler-Benz, I think they were both. In fact I think DB took the "coachbuilding" monica a bit far. The first car I owned was a standard production Mercedes-Benz 170S, and on the side was a coachbuilding plate "Sindenfingen Karrosserie". The car was mass produced!
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 Post subject: Re: Nominate missing Coachbuilders here
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Yes, but did they dress other marque's chassis as well?

Sindelfingen, Scaglietti, Fleetwood, Fisher Body, Mulliner, Park Ward, etc... they all share the same fate of becoming an "in-house" coachbuild department. Maybe Pininfarina will end up the same way, becoming Fiat's/Ferrari's own coachbuilding department?

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Done: viewforum.php?f=383

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 Post subject: Re: Nominate missing Coachbuilders here
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Michiel Mobiel wrote:
Yes, but did they dress other marque's chassis as well?

Sindelfingen, Scaglietti, Fleetwood, Fisher Body, Mulliner, Park Ward, etc... they all share the same fate of becoming an "in-house" coachbuild department. Maybe Pininfarina will end up the same way, becoming Fiat's/Ferrari's own coachbuilding department?


I don't think they did. Same with Sindelfingen which, to the best of my knowledge, only built bodies on Mercedes-Benz cars and moreover was a division of DB.

It is hard to decide where coachbuilding ends and mass production starts. By the thirties coachbuilders were manufacturing in batches. Vanden Plas [England] built a batch of four door drophead bodies for the Bentley 4¼ chassis. Park Ward made more than a batch of four door saloons on the same chassis.


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